Dr. Max Caruso
Dr. Max Caruso Co-principal at Wuxi United International School Karishma Agarwal: Hello and welcome to the CIO today podcast. I’m Karishma and today we’re joined by Doctor Max, a professor and educator sharing insights on teaching leadership and staying relevant in today’s evolving academic world. Let’s dive in. Hi Doctor Max, I hope you’re doing well. Thank you so much for joining us today. Dr. Max Caruso: My absolute pleasure and I’m looking forward to our conversation. Karishma Agarwal: Great. Welcome. Your writings on ancient resonance and transcultural synthesis are not just personal reflections. They feel like a new lens for understanding identity, leadership, and learning in a globalized world. So let’s dive right in okay. Dr. Max Caruso: Thank you. Karishma Agarwal: You describe standing on a hill in Rome and feeling a profound sense of loss, a splinter of Rome in your soul. Later in Shanghai, you found the splinter absorbed into Chinese civilization. Can you please share what that moment of absorption felt like? And how did it shift your understanding of who you are and where you belong? Dr. Max Caruso: Thank you so much for that question. Il Pincio… to pronounce it in Italian, in Rome. Yes. It was. It really was. It really was a resonant moment. Having been back to Rome for the first time in 40 years at the time. It was my first time back, so it was a very important moment for me. It was a moment of absorption, and in many ways it was a dramatic event, but more importantly, it was a quiet deepening, I think, of … of recognition. I remember years later, then walking through Yu Gardens here in Shanghai, which is a very famous place, and feeling the same gathering of of power of time which I had felt that day on, on you know, that intricate social choreography, those unspoken rules of respect and obligation. You know, the way that food is served as a sacrament, both here in, in, in Shanghai and, and in Italy, there are, you know, a sacrament of connection rather than mere fuel. So all of, all of it resonated with, with the frequency. And this frequency is something that I recognize that I carried since childhood. So what what shifted for me that day in particular was my understanding of belonging. I realized, I think, that I didn’t need to return to Rome to be whole, which is it was a feeling that I had for so many, many years, but in fact, that I could belong anywhere. That …, you know, with that same ancient frequency, the ancient frequencies of both ancient Rome, Rome, Italy, ancient China, China, Shanghai anywhere that I guess understood history not as a record, but as a living soil. And isn’t that important, right? A living soil being grounded. So the splinter didn’t disappear. It found its echo. I guess you could say a living bridge rather than a displaced fragment. Karishma Agarwal: That is great. That is great. It’s such a fresh perspective, I would say. Thank you so much for sharing that with us. So Doctor Max also writes that this discovery fueled your vision as an educational leader. So how exactly did that happen? How exactly did Ancient Resonance change the way you lead a school, design a curriculum, or coach a teacher, you know? So can you please give us at least one concrete example from WUIS where this principle came to life? Dr. Max Caruso: Indeed. And it took a long time, I guess, for me to, to achieve these realizations. You know, one lives a lifetime, and in living a lifetime, one has many experiences that sometimes culminate into understanding. And I think I’m one of the fortunate, maybe few who has achieved that understanding of self. So in terms of leadership and in terms of educational leadership, I guess he transformed many things, you know, from hiring practices to meeting parents. Our co-principal model at was Wuxi United International School. It’s it’s not just an organizational structure. It’s a daily enactment of trans cultural dialogue. And it’s really interesting because we are a Chinese bilingual international school, but the Chinese bilingual is the emphasis. And my co-principal he and I have an interesting communication regime in that my Chinese is relatively limited as his as is his English. So we have this we have this lovely dance of understanding communication, but we communicate extremely well. And that concept of trans cultural dialogue becomes even more important. So when we sit down to make decisions, we’re not just balancing Eastern and Western perspectives. And that’s important. We’re deliberately creating what I call that third space point that I came to in my second writings with the CIO today. So what is that? It’s a generative design where something new emerges from the confluence, and that’s what’s important, isn’t it? You know, within the context that I live in, if we’re talking about East meeting west, it’s not just two cultures coming together and stopping as they meet. Dr. Max Caruso: It’s it’s about creating that third space. So if you take, for example, within our school, as a Chinese bilingual international school, the idea of transcultural ethics, not necessarily taught, but within the broader and to some extent even the hidden curriculum. You know, we don’t necessarily teach Western ethics and or Chinese values as separate units. We present students with real dilemmas. So, for example in a business scenario involving conflicting concepts of loyalty and transparency, you know, students don’t choose between frameworks. They’re guided to synthesize. And this is important, synthesizing that third position that honors both traditions while addressing what is a contemporary reality. You know, our children are mainly Chinese nationals within our school. And they are Chinese national students who will eventually move to overseas universities. You know, top five, top ten, top 20. They’re exceptional students. So this idea